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  • May. 22nd, 2010 at 11:22 AM
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So this post on fetlife really got me going...

The post:

Do you see woman having privileges that men do not have...in our current society?

My response:

My wife and I talk about this topic a lot because it does seem that women get some privileges that men will never get.

As it has been said in numerous other comments: Women control consensual sex. Women have no trouble in getting consensual sex from a much larger pool of partners than men. In the case of my wife she doesn't always realize how large that pool is.

Some thoughts on the rape statement: I honestly find it a little hard to choke down a statistic like 1 in 3 are raped or molested. But even if that number is accurate the argument that men aren't raped(by women) isn't really a statement of men's privilege. Men not being raped comes more from the fact that women control consensual sex and most men are happy to get it and there is a much worse stigma associated with men reporting rape. If a man is raped by a woman and reports it he is relinquished as not a man. If a man is raped by a man he is thought of as weak and with the large deal of homophobia of gay men amongst many other men, raped men inherit that as well.

Beyond just sex: Women control most social interactions with men. My wife has a 10 times easier job of making friends than I do. Sure I am a socially awkward physicist but people in general are friendlier to my wife than me and more friendly to me when my wife is with me.

But what the big deal with making friends? Nothing... But consider that this extra friendliness ripples into situations where she needs(or wants) to get her way. Admittedly she has an easier time returning items to stores or in general it gives her extra power in the retail/customer service setting(especially with younger male workers). It also helps to get on the other side of the counter.

And her gender typically gives her a boost in the employment market. Men and their desire to sleep with women combined with women's control over sex easily implies that men who make hiring decisions would favor female candidates(depending on occupation this is especially true in the service industry). Count the number of women working at most grocery stores doing light labor as opposed to heavy labor and there is a strong correlation.

Take medicine: Count the number of women receptionists at offices versus men(overwhelming in 2007 thing like 6:1 women:men per the CDC). Now I know what the response is: Women aren't the doctors in the office maybe not now but the CDC says that women make up more than 50 percent of students in medical school. Will the women make less... maybe? I can't find any recent statistics. But considering they have an easier time getting into these professions something tells me that lifetime earning would be about equal.

Lets look at what happens to men in television and film: I challenge you to find me a sitcom where a woman is the bumbling idiot(the one that always screws everything up not the bimbo) character. Are you scratching you head? I am and the only one I can think of is Cougar Town and that character is just a bimbo but constantly gets episodes devoted to her growing up and evolving. Now look at men in these sitcoms. The only intelligent sophisticated men are gay(not that there is anything wrong with being gay but that seems to be the only way a man can not be a bumbling idiot on TV). I can remember all of those feel good sitcoms as a child which have shaped in many ways people in my generations view on gender roles (life imitates art or art imitates life?). The man of the house was always short tempered, educated but still dumb, lacked foresight, and almost never was considered to be the correct party in the dispute. I struggle to recall a story line of Family Matters lets say where Carl was *right* and more so when he won the dispute he had to have some kind of childish victory dance to make up for his ability to reason appropriately about a situation.

Do I have some advantages as a man? Sure... I am less likely to have a purse/wallet snatched or to be mugged(maybe depending on my outward physical fitness and percent of muggings which involve a weapon). I am less likely to be a victim of (*reported*) domestic violence. I am more likely to be able to get a heavy labor job like auto mechanic, welder, stock room worker, and *insert most jobs where you get really dirty or lift heavy things*. I don't have to bare children or go through child birth. And most importantly I get the opportunity to navigate in a society with all of the lovely women out there.

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[info]kgurl02 wrote:
Jun. 3rd, 2010 04:29 pm (UTC)
Although I do agree that women have a few SOCIAL privileges over men, I don't think a free drink compares to the disadvantages that women suffer.

If a man is raped by a woman and reports it he is relinquished as not a man.
As far as this comment goes, I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Are you saying that women have the PRIVILEGE of reporting rape and men do not without stigma? If the humiliation of reporting rape is a stigma for men, it most certainly is true for women. The reason for the feeling of humiliation may differ, but it is no more or less valid an emotion for either sex in this case.

Secondly, most victims of female rapists involve underage BOYS not MEN (the rest involve other women or underage girls). I can't imagine there is a reported case of a grown ass man being raped by a woman. They don't exist. And not because it goes unreported but because it is physically IMPOSSIBLE for a man to be raped by a woman. And I don't mean and woman cannot overpower a man. I mean how does a woman force a man to become erect before raping him? Sure a man can be sexually assaulted/harassed/molested by a woman but full on rape? Call me a cynic, and if I'm wrong, show me a reported case and I will concede. Certainly there has to be at least ONE reported case, ONE brave male out there.

And her gender typically gives her a boost in the employment market
Entirely untrue. And here are just a few facts:

- Women are more likely to be laid off when companies downsize.
- For every dollar a man earns working full-time, female workers only earn 77 cents for the same jobs.
- According to a Harvard study, the median net worth of unmarried women was $12,900, compared to $26,850 for men. The study cited the wage gap as the primary cause for this inequity

http://womeninbusiness.about.com/od/challengeswomenface/a/morevulnerable.htm

Take medicine: Count the number of women receptionists at offices versus men(overwhelming in 2007 thing like 6:1 women:men per the CDC)
Yes, but how many men apply for the job of receptionist? I don't think this is a fair statistic to present without some context behind it. Unfortunately I couldn't pull up any numbers, but I'm willing to bet far less men apply for these types of jobs than women do. If disproportionately more women are applying, it's only logical that more of them are hired for this type of position.

Also, a receptionist at a doctor's office is not the same as practicing medicine. Medicine is a field still very much dominated by men.

But considering they have an easier time getting into these professions something tells me that lifetime earning would be about equal
Jobs in healthcare are not easier for women to obtain. And looking at it objectively, in a hypothetical situation, if a man and a woman are hired at the same time and work the same amount of hours for the rest of their life, a woman's earning is not comparable to their male counterparts on average:

"FEMALE doctors earn 10 to 35 per cent less than their male counterparts..."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/female-doctors-earn-less-for-giving-more/2007/10/10/1191695991693.html

Lets look at what happens to men in television and film... The man of the house was always short tempered, educated but still dumb, lacked foresight, and almost never was considered to be the correct party in the dispute
I agree with you here to some extent. Men are portrayed unfairly on sitcoms and such but so are women, maybe not as rampantly as men at times but the negative portrayals are certainly there. Women are portrayed as sneaky, plotting, emotional, PMS-ing, chocolate loving, shop-a-holics. Both "conventional" formulas of the sexes must make for good tv because they've been doing it for years and the world continues to tune in.

And on another note:

Thanks for adding me :)
You are a physicist and I find that all kinds of fascinating. I am enamored with brain power (especially when it comes to math because that is so not my forte)
I'm looking forward to getting to know you :)
And don't worry, I won't hold this terrible argument against you :p
[info]sexandphysics wrote:
Jun. 3rd, 2010 08:21 pm (UTC)
If a man is raped by a woman and reports it he is relinquished as not a man.

-Men can become erect from physical stimuli alone. I don't know of any cases. My main point is that the number of male cases is less additionally because they don't control sex and are therefore thankful to receive it as if finding a dollar on the street.

And her gender typically gives her a boost in the employment market

-The point of that is that for most entry level positions outside of science and engineering are overwhelmingly populated by females(which there are just fewer females who take on these fields but if they do awaits are plenty of female only scholarships). And that I have noticed that women are preferentially hired at a lot of places including retail and other service positions including management positions. The only positions I note which are male dominated in the unskilled area are in the heavy labor area. And in the higher rank jobs, yes 'hard sciences' like math, chemistry, and physics are dominated by men. Not really sure why. Any woman in the programs I have seen not only seem to get extra perks like extensions on homework but also qualify for specialty gender based grants.

Medical Industry

-That was actually across the board for all medical positions from receptionist to nurse to doctor.

Earning as much

-I was specifying over a lifetime. First off the stats that I have pulled only refer to the US. Next off I don't pretend that all women get paid the same as men. I was simply stating that: A man may make more per hour but the women is more employable in the first place(as seen by their dominance over number of jobs in the field) so that they would be employed for longer and more continuously. Hence making the same amount over a lifetime.

TV

-Females may be moody/emotional on TV but those are still accepted behaviors. Being dumb is never an accepted behavior. I struggle to find examples of times where men are 'right' on TV aside from on the Science and History channels.

What it boils down to me in so many of these employment situations is that: Women hire women out of solidarity because may women end up in hiring positions in companies. Men hire women out of a desire to sleep with them or give them a leg up because they feel guilty for being a man. Just my perspective based on the job markets I have been in(low wage high school jobs, skilled computer jobs/contracts, and engineering positions).

Thanks for the add. I am glad you find physics interesting. I don't post about it often because I am well aware that most people have no taste for the details which are immensely hard to explain and where the math is the Only guiding light.
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